<div dir="ltr">$100 - $300 a month or more for discourse? Who is picking up the tab?<div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Utkarsh Ayachit <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:utkarsh.ayachit@kitware.com" target="_blank">utkarsh.ayachit@kitware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Folks,</span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra">Here's the survey summary along with a summary of responses. I'm clubbing ParaView and VTK results since they are similar and probably choose to do the same thing. Most of the negative comments seem to have one theme -- the mailing list mode. For those who want to use email client as the way to receive and respond to messages seem to have not had the best experience. However, if we simply use the activity on forum as an indicator, we notice that both ITK and Slicer saw a decent bump. Our sysadmins have also said that they'd rather move to Discourse as that'd open more hosting options as it no longer requires the project websites and mailing lists to be hosted on the same server.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><b>VTK Voting Results (66 responses)</b><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br><div>Yes: 59.1 %</div><div>No: 24.2 %</div><div>Neutral: 12.1%</div><div><br></div><div><b>ParaView Voting Results (46 responses)</b></div><div><br></div><div>Yes: 58.7 %</div><div>No: 15.2 %</div><div>Neutral: 21.7 %</div><div><br></div><div><b>Summary of NAY comments:<br></b></div></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><ul><li>Mailing-list mode for discourse has formatting issues. </li><ul><li>Replies don't respect quotations forcing responders to use HTML modes.</li><li>Changes to `from` address makes off list responses impossible</li><li>replying to `from` address bounces, making `reply all` not work</li><li>discards signatures</li></ul><li>Easier to lurk and monitor mailing list messages without having to visit website for updates</li></ul><div><b>Summary of YAY comments:<br></b></div></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><ul><li>Several users on other projects have had positive experience</li><li>better code formatting/editing of posts etc.</li><li>better searching capabilities</li><li>ability to subscribe to topics</li><li>ability to organize, control, edit, attach etc</li><li>easier to filter spam (mailing list has been targeted by email spoofers in recent weeks)</li></ul><div><b>Stats from Slicer/ITK migration (monthly avg. messages):</b></div></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div><ul><li> ITK </li><ul><li>mailing lists (itk-users + itk-developers): 148  </li><li>Discourse: 297.</li></ul><li>Slicer</li><ul><li>mailing lists: 247</li><li>Discourse: 639</li></ul></ul></div><div><br></div></div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Given all that, my conclusion is we should move ahead with this migration. Please yell if you think that isn't a fair conclusion. Not sure of the timeline for the migration or how to organize it etc etc, but that can be a separate conversation. </span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks all for participating.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Utkarsh<br class="m_-5540098541305957920gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div></font></span></div>
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